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Benny G. Truth-Teller's avatar

Good article! Sebastian is a friend of mine, and you may be interested to know he's working on a updated version of his piece that will go through this argument in greater detail. I'll just put in some of my two cents as I myself am skeptical of the argument.

On objection 1 you say: "That is not the only motivation. The deeper motivation , as I see it, is that limits call for an explanation in a special way."

But suppose someone didn't share the intuition that limits in particular call out for explanation in a special way (as I suspect is the case for pretty much anyone who don't already accept that arbitrary limits are a special problem). What more would you have to say? It is unclear. You suggest one thing, saying:

"there are no exceptions to this principle of explaining limits. "

But the same is true for the broader principle "All concrete things in our experience, limited or not, have explanations". Not to mention similar things can be said about much weaker local principles like "All colorful things demand explaination" or ones that seem to threaten theism like "All minded things need to be explained" or indeed "All powers require explaination". So, it remains unclear to me what undergirds the motivation for the particular principle which quantifies over all and only limited things beyond intuition. Why single out limits in particular for explanation rather than being red, or having geometric properties, or having desires? etc. It doesn't appear to me to track our explanatory practices that there is something unique about *limits*, as opposed to it just being undesirable to tack any arbitrary property or claim onto a theory or entity in a way that goes beyond what the evidence suggests, limits or not. Nor does this even entail being committed to a strong universal metaphysical principle of explanation of any kind, something I doubt is warranted from our narrow human perspective.

Moving on to objection 3, you say:

"First, on a purely theoretical level, a theory that posits a specific amount of power is intrinsically less likely."

I am unsure how this is meant to help, since maximal power is also a specific amount of power. It rules out having any limits on power.

"By contrast, the theory that fundamental power lacks limits is simpler, since it contains fewer conceptual parts, and is therefore more intrinsically likely, in my view."

This claim is a bit opaque to me. What are conceptual parts? Why does having unlimited power lack those? This also doesn't really address Sebastian's suggestion at a consideration that counts in the other direction which is that limited theories posit less unnecessary power. Indeed, theories that are more causally limited seem to be more confirmed by their predictions in a sense, since they are consistent with a narrower range of data.

Your second point goes back into the argument about limits requiring an explanation. But I would just say much of what I said before, a universal metaphysical principle that requires explanations for limited things across the board, rather than a weaker pragmatic principle restricted to objects encountered in experience, ordinary life, and science (and also which doesn't single out limits) strikes me as undermotivated.

But if we are going to play the game of comparing universal metaphysical principles of explanation one that looks equally motivated is "All non-initial items have an explanation" or "All and only limits for non-initial items have an explanation". We can then take an Oppy-style initial state view. Even if the initial state has limits, we would have a principled reason for thinking it does not have an explanation since the scope of our principle only ranges over non-initial items.

I will leave it there.

Dennis's avatar

Previously you have replied to Emerson Green. Now you reply to Sebastian Montesinos. Great stuff.

Since you mention Paul Draper, I am wondering if you will reply to him. Like some of his relevant points from his book Atheism and the Problem of Evil.

For example, Draper thinks that although omni-theism may be more intrinsically plausible than a specific limited fundamental reality hypothesis, it is not obvious to him that omni-theism is more intrinsically plausible than the disjunction of all those limited hypotheses combined.

After all, if your ticket to a 100-ticket lottery had a 30% chance of winning, while the other 70 tickets had a 1% chance of winning each, then your ticket is more likely than any other individual ticket to win. However, probably, you are not going to win the lottery.

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